The Absent CSM

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Part of the issue I have with --- "Once again, if you find his voice to be silent, you are simply looking for it in the wrong places." is that in most official bodies an office holder is not just a representative of the special interest group that elected them. While certain members might have gotten their votes out of specific communities I would expect those individuals to try and communicate outside those groups as effectively as they do inside them (and a few of them have, allowances must of course be made for the language barrier issues). For the longer term health of the CSM broadening the representation is vital. More votes have been cast for members in each of the the succeeding CSM's. I would like to see that trend continue, and I think communication issues will make or break future participation in the process.
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I am not a fucking ass kisser but mittani needs the job back .
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also , actually I wanted to count the times you used "communicate" in any kind but I stopped promptly...
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communicate , communicated and more of the COMMUNICATION.
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no he doesnt he made a major error back in 2011 his comment was uncalled for in everyway
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Divisive? Moi? Why, I'm such a gentle soul that I apologize every time DNS hotdrops someone!
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Darius III > Issler Dainze
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I'm a little disappointed in my writeup here. I haven't been as active as I would like, but I do talk to wormhole folks quite often and even did a wormhole townhall a few months ago.Some of your other characterizations seem to be based on past participation as well. For example, Meissa has been far, far, far more quiet during CSM7 than he ever was. I could probably count the number of times he has spoken up on one hand. While I may disagree with him on many things, I do miss his input.D3 really shouldn't even make your list. He has said even less than Meissa.
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I'm quite done working for CCP as an unpaid volunteer consultant who gets ignored unless pointing the 'media gun' at them. Being the media itself is much more efficient.
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Two Step for Chairman!
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I like you. I like what you've done. However, you rolled into the CSM with the second most votes. There was expectation that more wormhole related stuff would be discussed. You talk to the players a lot though. From my count, you were the 3rd highest poster on the Eve-O forums of the CSM members. The disappointment is that, despite your votes, wormhole issues seem to not even have made it onto the table.Meissa... there was an expectation of him being quiet and he was quiet. D3 was D3.I had promised I wouldn't do a callout article, and I tried to stick to that as much as possible. If I would call people out, trust me, you wouldn't have been one of them.
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Dear Editor:I find the section on Elise Randolph on the borderline of bad taste. While attempting to keep the discussion within reasonable limits, Elise rarely oversteps the mark. The author of this article, however, has crossed the Rubicon, letting the side down badly.Enraged of Verge of Collapse, W-space
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I'm not going to disagree with you on that.
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Ha!
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What?
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Issler Dainze here!New job in Rl has reduced my Eve activity a bit. I am still on Skype with the other CSM daily and read the forums daily. I also have been logging in daily but not always for a long time (new RL job sucking away time again). Now that I'm getting more settled in the RL job I should be back to about the same degree of activity as before. I am sure you'll hear more from me after the summit! :-)
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"I will endeavour to provide, in a non-call-out fashion, some insight...Two Step. The first and potentially most disappointing one."You claim to write in a non-call-out fashion then you call out Two Step. You propose to have some insight onto the lesser-known members then you just talk about all of them in turn. You've talked to or bugged CSM members, but I don't read anything in your article I couldn't have found out by reading forums. Twice you say "If you find his voice to be silent, you are simply looking for it in the wrong places" - which could equally be applied to any of the CSM and is a pretty empty statement in itself.Two Step has probably done the most to reach both within and outside his EVE wormhole "constituency" and has done an impressive stint on the CSM imo. Do you read CSM minutes? If so you might notice he puts a wormhole perspective on issues on a regular basis, as well as having sound ideas on the rest of the game. Oh yeah, and he *writes* the damned minutes :)
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It's not that he's better (not possible), it's just that she's even worse. Or maybe they're both worse.
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*shudders*
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All the same, I can't even imagine a personality in this terrible game that could herd EvE players/CCP as effectively as you did. :-/
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I honestly think CCP needs to give all CSM members a page on their flashy new site under community. Links to the latest minutes and general updates. 'DEV Blog' Style updates would be pretty useful as well. We don't all have time for internet spaceships, kids, jobs, and chasing CSM info around the whole of the internet.
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Darius III is shit, basically the worst.
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Did you read more than the first sentence of that paragraph or are you just trolling?
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Nice to know I have fans! :PIssler
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Don't hit me.
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this only confirms that i need to be on the CSM.actually, i should be the CSM.
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I shouldn't have to (and don't) stalk you on the Eve forums to find out what you think about topic X. Use your blog.Unless I see some improvement, I won't be voting for you again.
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Ignore Fatyn, he's a dumb guy.
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But Mr Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months.""Oh yes, well as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything.""But the plans were on display ...""On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
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Perhaps to the editor Two Step has not seemed to have done much, but many of the game changes are what he pushed for. Such as Self-destruct changes that yield killmails, to aggression timers to npc that prevent farmers from avoiding pvp by simply pressing alt-F4. Two Step is focused on Wormhole Space, which is why the majority of EVE does not seem him talking, because there are other leaders that represent their interests.He has also held some meetings and discussions with players on teamspeak channels that many wormhole dwellers listened in on. I haven't seen D3, Meissa, Green Lee saying at all a single word.
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I rather enjoy your absence from the forums.
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Re: Meissa Anunthiel's spoon to the face.http://www.eve-search.com/thre...Towards the face maybe, but it fell short.
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this time OP of this comment really is ... a faggot.
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I can also imagine that with the communication lines between the CSM and CCP tightening, there's less need for the CSM to cause a ruckus on forums to get CCP to listen to their POV.
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Two Step says very little now because he has lost all respect from the WH community. When CCP anounced POS changes Two Step was expected to step up to the plate here and listen to us and put our voices to CCP to get POS revamp through that didn't screw the WH community over (The major users that are 100% reliant on POS infrastructure)These views were put forward to CCP and to Two Step to put forward in many threadnaughts, these views were shared by many wormholers from low end WH's to the cap fighting overlords in C5/6 space. Two Step for whatever reason seemed to disagree with 99% of the WH community and appears okay to take away any safety net the low end wormholers have thus forcing us to have all low end Wh's a wasteland in a years time. He was also ok with taking away intel gathering in Wh's by the attackers and defenders thus forcing more dickery on to us to try and get any fights in a system with no local and no way of gathering intel. HE WAS OK WITH THIS.Two Step screwed his community over in 1 month of getting in to office and hasn't been heard from since, he rarely responds in forums, never updates his blog, never updates the Wh community on the POS changes as they are progressing (probably cause he knows we will be pissed)Good luck next election Two Step, my call is you will not run for next CSM as you know you done your dash this time.
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If Two Step disagrees with this, call me out on it. Update your blog once this year tell us what is going on. Get us a forum update on POS changes (We all know they are well underway now and if you want us to respect you once the changes are done and too late then give us the update many are screaming for and let us add further input)I don't dislike you and all us WH guys know we need you but you do little to make us want you back.
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EkAloAlekseyev Karrde and Seleene are the only two who have a real grasp if the complete rule we elected them to do. It's not just about proving to your pals that their concerns are bring championed. It's about actually getting out into the community consciousness, dialoguing with them then bring their voice. Following up with regular communication on the results of that.Some of the others are doing an ok job, but limited in that they only think they represent small cliques. Seleene and Alek are the real engine room behind this CSM, the others have only performed for their own audiences, to varying degrees of dissatisfaction.
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All the same, you were very impressive in the role we asked you to do, and successful I might add. Totally understand your viewpoint after what happened, but would be a privilege to have you represent us again. Remember it's not about CCP, or the whining, hysterical masses, it's about Eve and her players.
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Bullshit. It was a stupid comment but eve is full of them. It was just blown out of proportions by the pc crowd. Kinda sad that eve even has pc crowd (I always thought they would be sticking with hello kitty online).
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What this article says to me is that there is a communication problem between the CSM and the players. As Bagehi says, he likes you. This wasn't about calling people out but demonstrating the perception of people outside the CSM and outside the interests groups represented by the CSM. Has the CSM considered asking CCP for "blog space" where the members can publicly post in a similar fashion to the CCP devs? That would accomplish two things: it would give the CSM a visible, coherent presence and give the CSM members a chance to communicate their work to the larger EVE Online audience.There probably are issues about people saying what they shouldn't, but I think these could be mitigated by, for example, picking a given day per month where everybody contributes an update to a single edited piece (shared Google Doc?) and there are a few days for other members to say, "Zomg! You can't say that". Other solutions are, of course, possible, like blog draft buddies or even not worrying about it. I haven't enumerated most of the risks, but I can't help but feel that even flawed communication would be a beneficial improvement to the overall community. Just an idea!
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All due respect, you volunteered for the job and we put you in office because you represented us the best. You went into it knowing it was a 'free' consulting job. That said, you could potentially go the way of Fozzie and maybe get into their Atlanta office for some ground work on WoD.I have a lot of love for the company CCP in general. Yeah, they make a lot of mistakes. However, if they have anything, it's personality which 90% of all other game publishers/developers on the market lack.
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Maybe...
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You are quite wrong with just about everything you posted here. Based on the other comments, your views aren't shared by most of the w-space community. As for not responding, I reply to each and every eve mail I get, as well as threads like https://forums.eveonline.com/d... within 5 hours of the thread being posted.
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Adhocracy actually had a rather informative and thoughtful discussion with Two Step this last summer. It is true that he isn't terribly great at updating his blog, but he does talk to the wormhole community. Although I personally would like to hear something back about PoS changes and some of the really broken stuff. For example the fact that one can build t3 cruisers in wspace but you have to cart them out to kspace in order to actuactually assemble the Fucking things.
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get out lol
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I think the important part is that he got ignored when in office and the only thing that ever happened is the tabloid gaming press going BLARGSPARGLE when he did his stunt @ fanfest.I would be frustrated too. Who wants to serve a second term under these conditions?
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Agreed, Fatyn is a tosser
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You are just mad that two step doesnt represent the goons that most of the people that read this site would wish to fap over. I think you need to actually understand the community that two step represents before commenting on this topic.
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To be fair, you caused the CSM to get more done in that term than all of the previous CSM's combined. ~10058~
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I agree that Mittani's absence leaves a huge hole in the CSM. I have stated this publicly in various forums. Too bad we don't get along, as I could really use his help for a project I am working on. The current CSM are IMO mostly yes men to each other and to CCP. I don't participate/interact with them too much and mostly do my own thing, in my own way. This article pretty accurate and +1 from the only real opposition inside the CSM

The other day, Mynnna wrote a post about the CSM.  Comments were made about how people only seem to hear or read comments and insight from a few of the CSM 7 members.  From time to time, I have bugged CSM members enough that they talk to me and give me a window into the process.  Drawing on these conversations, among other things, I will endeavour to provide, in a non-call-out fashion, some insight into the lesser-heard CSM 7 members.

Two Step. The first and potentially most disappointing one. Before the boo-hiss comments begin, I’m not disappointed in Two Step. Two Step came into the Eve spotlight about two years ago when he ran for CSM 6. Prior to that, he had been an outspoken wormhole player, but not widely known outside that community. His popularity culminated in him being THE candidate for wormholes for CSM 7 - a position that netted him an incredible 4,150 votes, putting him at a solid second place to The Mittani. A position that most wormhole residents were excited about, as it seemed like a vote of confidence that could not be ignored by other CSM members or CCP. When Mittens withdrew, many expected Two Step to take the mantle of Chairman, which only fueled to further expectations and excitement. Of course, we know what happened next. Seleene was tapped for the chairmanship by his CSM peers. Trebor took Vice-Chair. Two Step became the secretary. If you wonder why you don’t hear much from him, put yourself in his shoes. This isn’t to say that wormhole players are not being represented the way they deserve to be, nor that some foul plot dethroned him. It is disappointing because some further personality conflicts on top of all of that leave us where we are right now: where he says substantially less to the general player base than he used to (though he still pipes up in the forums regularly).

Elise Randolph.  His communication is as expected. He was elected by Pandemic Legion members with additional support by the general "kugu crowd." He continues to be outspoken about his positions and what he sees happening in the CSM to those who elected him. Elise stays off the official forums for the most part, preferring Kugutsumen.com. Reading his posts there shows that he, of all people, is not shy about speaking his mind. If you find his voice to be silent, you are simply looking for it in the wrong places.

Kelduum Revaan.  He speaks to his base. The Eve Uni crowd have regular insight into his thoughts, as he voices them to Eve Uni members through their channels, in-game mail, and forums. Once again, if you find his voice to be silent, you are simply looking for it in the wrong places.

Dovinian.  Here too, he speaks to his base. He is not, by far, the most talkative player in TEST Alliance, but in an alliance with over 10,000 characters, you have to put in quite a bit of effort to be heard. He posts from time to time to keep everyone "in the loop" on things. He is more talkative the higher up in the organization you get. But, again, he is vocal. It is just within TEST.

Green Lee and UAxDeath were elected by the Russian speaking portion of the Eve population. As far as anyone I have spoken to can tell, they are conspicuously absent from CSM-CCP communication as well as the Russian-language Eve forums. There is likely more to this story.

UAxDeath, to begin with, is UAxDeath. He’s never been one to post on Eve forums much to begin with, and when he does, it is usually only to laugh at someone. He is supposedly actively communicating in certain, smaller circles. Having weathered some extreme weather of late, his communication has been predictably decreased more than it otherwise would be.

Trebor Daehdoow.  I really can’t imagine the general player population saying he doesn’t communicate. He’s done crowdsourcing on the EVE forums more than once. Sometimes to resounding acclaim, sometimes... not (see the CSM voting debacle). He has a strong personality and has things to say and contribute in CSM-CCP discussions. A surprisingly divisive figure, but not an absent one.

Meissa Anunthiel.  He is one of the quieter members of the CSM, and always has been. He’s the guy who speaks up from time to time with some in-depth mechanics information that those in conversation did not understand. He’s also the guy who took a spoon to the face in CSM 5. He doesn’t say a lot, but when he does, he’s usually right. That has gained him both respect and disdain from other players and CSM members over the several years he’s been part of CSM.

Issler Dainze.  A frequent poster on the forums and a controversial character both in the CSM and among the player base. Few can complain about her not communicating enough. Some would complain about the content of the communication, but that is all a matter of opinion or perspective. Her disagreements are often rather public and heated. Rumors are beginning to swirl though, as she has not been logging in for a while and her forum posts halted suddenly two weeks ago...

Darius III.  Troll extraordinaire. He posts quite a bit, but without real substance.  He makes no bones about trolling, making him a rather controversial character. Darius III certainly communicates, though perhaps not in the style some would prefer.

Alekseyev Karrde.  He used to communicate a lot more than he currently does on the official forums. Despite that, he is one of the most active CSM members on EVE-O. It is rare for a forum thread of import to go by without Alekseyev in the thick of it.

Hans Jagerblitzen.  Probably the most prolific CSM member on the forums. Few can complain about Hans not communicating.  To top that off, he also posts regularly in a blog.

Seleene.  The second most busy poster. Maybe the most, actually - it depends on the day. He also has a blog and posts to reddit regularly with more insight into what is going on. Seleene has shifted time zones somewhat dramatically, which may contribute to the few "where'd he go?" comments.

This should, for the most part, address the question of “why don’t I hear anything from CSM member x?”  

Rumblings from Iceland seem to indicate that the relative silence of recent months may soon be broken. The CSM is increasingly pulling together despite outward differences. When asked, Seleene stated that "based on what the CSM has been exposed to through recent meetings with CCP," he expects the summit to be "one of the most important since the 'Summer of Rage' in determining EVE's future direction." The silence before the storm? We will find out soon enough. December 12-14 are just around the corner. The summit topics have been announced and can be found here. Almost any given topic could be contentious, so your guess is about as good as mine.

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Bagehi began playing Eve in 2003 briefly, then returned in 2006. He has been part of IAC, NC, SoCo, and HBC during that time. He has a thing for history, but mostly spends his time IRL in a corner office, staring at financial reports, like a MMD.