6VDT: The CFC Battle Report

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Breaking: Li3 Avatar down in 6vdt by N3ST gank squad
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N3ST cedes fountain, and this was their parting shot.
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STALEMATE!
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I feel I should mention a hero bomber popped the wreck so those nice ass drops aint going to nobody
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It's a nice submission, but it seems a little too early seeing as the battle ended a mere 2 hours ago. What happened to TMC waiting in order to get their facts straight?I don't know. It just seems embarrassing to me to be reading a submission like this one that was uploaded as a CFC titan was dying. I know that super kill and this battle are separate events but will ultimately associate the two. I just want a clear cut story coming from this site and I don't mind waiting a day or so in order to get it.
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There are rumours that he got drunk to celebrate the earlier victory while his Titan was vulnerable.Remember kids, never drink while flying!
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this is a c/p of vily's battlereport from kugu.com, not an original article. which is why it is from 'submissions'
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They also ran a live feed post that seemed to be entirely from the CFC's perspective. They're just unable to maintain any semblance of neutrality in their Eve articles, and that's fine as long as you're aware of the bias. I can't name a single truly fair and balanced news source IRL, either.
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Poor Titan. HODOR!!!!
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Can't believe i'm saying this '' I was there ''
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CFC lost so many Titans to stupidity, I don't think they giv a shit anymore...Also, this was article was probably posted almost immediately before the Titan was tackled.
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well, considering that the titan was tackled while evac'ing the last wave of CFC troops from 6VDT .... battle was over.
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Yeah, and I have no problem with the article. Most submission articles usually have disclaimers at the top, but this one didn't. TMC is just way too quick posting CFC victories, and their articles end up looking rushed or very sparse. My comment is more a complaint over how they handled their coverage of the Fountain war, which is completely different from how they covered their conquest of Tribute and Vale. That's where my real complaints lie.
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Nah, just a bit careless and a well executed gank by NC.
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Yeah, and I'm sure the titan kill will get its own article. It just seems like this article was posted too soon, like a lot of stuff covered in this war. I'm just trying to illustrate that rush feel by pointing out the titan kill that came only an a few hours after the battle ended.
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I gotta throw Pie Dude's name from -FA- into the list of FC's for the Ironwulf fleet as he pretty much had to take it over when we lost him [Ironwulf] during the initial exchanges. He was one of the very few FC's the CFC lost today.Pie Dude did a good job picking the fleet up for what seemed like an eternity before Ironwulf could get back in.It was pretty cool seeing the fleets being passed around so fluidly where FC's had breaks, they were laughing in comms and some who I typically don't get along with were having civil conversations.The coordination from our end was something our enemies just weren't prepared for. Again.
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TMC has several writers on staff that are members of TEST Alliance. They could have done a similar live action report. If you don't find your particular viewpoint well-represented, sign up or get that really long-winded guy who makes page long posts in your forums to sign up. It's not exactly hard to picked up as a writer for this site.
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Welp gods are pleased.
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Rule #1: don't sit inside a passworded posRule #2: if you are going to ignore rule #1, make sure you have the roles to change the pos pw yourselfRule #3: when bridging, fit cloak, cyno, smartbombs, neuts... Just in case.Rule #4: tell any FC who tries to get you to violate rules 1-3 to get fucked no matter how space important they think they are.Guess who many rules the guy from Li3 broke? If you said all 4 you'd be right. New Titan pilots are like watching baby sea turtles hatch and dash to the sea. The mentally defective, physically weak, and just plain unlucky ones get eaten by gulls.
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We have multiple TEST contributors on staff, Madz, fin 1712, barrien, and targie Mcred. Barrien was promoted to editor, and the other 3's activity seemed to have dropped off about a month into the war, and this made me kind of sad because they are all great people and writers. I understand Fin was promoted to TEST mildir, and probably had little time left over. Madz writes about LOL because he prefers to leave his biases out, I have no clue what happened to targie.If any TEST writer would like to join TMC I'm certain we would be glad to have you.
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This comes up a lot, and I guess I'll vent here about it. Why has there goot to be separate camps for writers. Why does TMC need "TEST" or "CFC" writers? Why can't people just step back and be good reporters? Honestly, what you're saying sounds great but it comes out more as an excuse for why there is bias and why there will always be bias rather than a solution.No one should have to scroll down to the bottom of an article to see whether its a TEST, CFC or whomever writer in order to judge its worth. Articles should just be as honest and bias free as they can be. If not then TMC is just EN24 with better writers.My point here is that all writers should be held to the same standards and not be split by alliance. Just judge all the facts for what they are and report the news.
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Rather than repeat the same thing just read my reply to Atrum. I like TMC a lot. I'm just seeign a trend in your articles that needs to really be addressed. Maybe that means bringing in mroe writers, or maybe it means reviewing how you edit articles before they reach the front page. This war in Fountain was just reported on so differently from what I saw during Tribute and Vale.
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I have to commend goon pilot 'drew_qt', who was streaming (with the usual delay, but w.e.) his PoV for a good 5+ hours during the fight. His stream got posted to several gaming news sites, and he did a heck of a job explaining what the heck was going on to all 3000+ of us non-EVE playing gamers who showed up. A lot of people were coming into the various streams primed by the news articles to expect something epic, and without his explanations most of them would have probably left disappointed and vaguely confused. Instead, he did a very good job explaining what was so important and significant about this fight, what the heck all of those confusing dots on the screen meant, why various things were happening, along with a lot of EVE history and culture. There's a significant disconnect between EVE as people read about it in the gaming news and EVE as it's actually played, and he did a great job bridging that gap and generating a lot of good publicity for the game from this fight. I know he got a good couple dozen people to sign up trial accounts, and a bunch more to consider reactivating old accounts. CCP ought to pay him for all the free advertising!
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The honest fact that it's a lot easier to get people to talk to you if you are in the alliance, as you have internal lines of communication. I can recall a number of occasions when I've tried to interview S2N people for a story and got denied. In the end it took marlona sky (who is in NC.) Or asking Jean Leaner (fantastic fellow, can't ask for more in leadership) to get the story across.
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You main fox isn't fair and balanced?
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Well it's good that you try then. I guess what I'm saying is you can do better. Perhaps people won't talk too because of the reputation that TMC has. More can be done than just recruiting writers. You have to earn the reader's trust, which I feel has worsened recently.
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The overall vibe I'm getting, as a response to your qualm, Fred, is this:Easier said than done.
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Yeah, journalism is hard stuff to get right. TMC just seems to have some growing pains that they need to work around.
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I think you make the same error in thinking most ignorant online content consumers do - blogger does not equal journalist. A gamer who is enthusiastic enough about his hobby to use even more of his spare time to write about his hobby instead of actually, you know, DOING his hobby, is not going to be an unbiased source and you need to read articles by bloggers with an eye towards their angle.To expect an objective journalistic standard, which requires a degree, years of experience, professional development, oh and getting paid enough to make a living doing it - from a handful of people writing a few articles a month about their passion- in return for a plex and a little e-fame is ridiculous and you should be ashamed of yourself for even implying that.
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Always drink while flying.
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I'm more looking at the editors here than the writers and I'm sure TMC does make some money off of ads and such (not a goldmine but something).Are you sure you're playing the right game too? This is EVE where people take internet space pixels way too seriously and alliance execs literally do a 2nd job's worth of work for something that's just not real.What is it that GSF leadership is so famous for? Delegation of duties. I'm sure the workload can be split up somehow just as it has been done to shore up the cracks in this site. Will it be easy? No, but it can be done, just as how mobilizing thousands of spaceship nerds to invade an imaginary corner of space can be accomplished.Also I see no shame in expecting the best out of people who volunteer to do honest work. I do the same when I sign up for community events or fundraisers where I'm not paid or otherwise rewarded just as those around me do. There's no shame in calling someone out for not living up to their organization's standards.
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He's not a new Titan pilot. He made a judgement call in the interest of bridging his coalition mates home after quad-boxing the entire duration of 6VDT, because he's a quality guy. But don't let that ruin your blurfing narrative, please continue.
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Yeah, he's a quality guy, and no mistake. And he fucked up. Sorry. At least he was better about learning the lessons than you are.
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Your Concern is noted.
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Sounds like it's time for another Blogger Ethics Conference.
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I'm a Titan pilot in GSF. These rules are posted in titanswarm in various form all over those forums. The guy can be as chill or as quality of a dude as you want to white knight him to be. End of the day he still did a lot of dumb things and paid the price for it. Continue to defend your bro, that's good, but he made some errors in judgment and ignored several standing rules and paid the price for it.
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I have no problem with the lessons, and having spoken to him he's well aware of it. I found the second paragraph of the OP sanctimonious and ignorant.
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It makes less than you think, nobody is making a living off this shit. Just some guys scoring some swag and maybe hotel rooms at gaming conventions/fests, and none of the editors are journalists either. Shit man, the editor in chief is a lawyer. I think the current articles are right in line with what a lawyer's goals are - to persuade you to a certain point of view. If you want another view represented, join the staff.
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Well we both have two differing sets of expectations then for what this site should be. That's fine, and I would join the staff if my schedule allowed it so in a way I do understand what the workload is like.I don't know, I just feel settling for what the site is now is just lowering one's expectations. That's all. I'm not expecting change or anything, just venting.
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(Editor's Note: This battle report is the personal account of Vily, a Goonswarm Federation Fleet Commander and the leader of one of the CFC Megathron fleets in the battle of 6VDT)What would you call this?
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Tegiminis is a gaming journalist, and Sun Win is a technology journalist.(I'm Tegiminis)
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An edit. I remember checking and that wasn't there a half hour ago (could be wrong as I have been awake for 20 hours now). I am glad that the change was made and also happy as it means people do read these comments and do take the readers seriously. I still feel the editors can be doing more though to better streamline the content of news items.
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That was the most awesomely expensive avatar fit ever. The gods are pleased indeed, CFC is winning.
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I think it needs to be said, because I hurfed pretty loud about this. I get tired of people going "BIAS! I'M D-D-DIZZY FROM THE T-T-TORNADO!":It's classified as a submission. It has a big fat disclaimer up top which staff on this website bemoan having to put up. This isn't an "article" really authored or edited by the staff; This is, for all intents and purposes, a copy-pasta of a battle report from a Very Space Important Person relevant to the news at hand.By tomorrow at the latest I'm sure TEST's SOTA will go up on the front page, proclaiming how the battle wasn't fought to win anything, but to just give Fountain a "good send off", which could definitely be contested on account of the "facts being straight" much like you did with this piece. It will be a submission from a Very Space Important Person, just like this one, with the same disclaimer.TL;DR: It's equivalent to a "Press Release". There is no editorializing.I understand you seem to mean well, but really, it's classified properly and it has a disclaimer. Save this particular argument for an authored article by staff at this website.
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so you say in order to be objective, I need a degree ? seems to me that major international press hired only interns for years ...or might there be other reasons for even professional press to be more or less biased ? also there´s bloggters out there thatput a lot of "real journalists" to shame with how they write, what they write and how well researched their articles are. maybe not eve-online bloggers, but theres great blogs out there. I would encourage you to try to find them sometime....
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Actually, TMC has pretty consistently posted after say evenews24 the entire war. And when you win a region, you get to be a bit smug for a few days, even if you lose a titan. I suspect the deeper cause of your complaints is extreme butthurt. They have drugs for that these days, Testie.
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You aren't really saying anything, you know. You're blathering nonsense under the guise of respectability. Anyone with half a working brain cell would know why there needs to be writers embedded in certain organizations.
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It wasn't an edit. I know BECAUSE I PROOFED THE ARTICLE AND PUT IT THERE.
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there will probably be a another post on the TMC about the titan
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For every good blogger you can find, I can find 15 or 20 that are so very, very bad. No, you don't need a degree to be a good journalist, but like any piece of credentials or certications, it helps communicate to others who don't personally know the individual in question that he's gotten some basic knowledge. I've worked with plenty of very hard working journalists while in Iraq and Afghanistan, and during disasters stateside as well. I have a lot of respect for what they do. I've also worked with a lot of bloggers - some with degrees and many without. It's a different form of product, written with different audiences in mind and with different views. Don't try to confuse or equate journalism with blogging, that's the first mistake.
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The CFC are going to keep winning until the n3/pl/nc. realize this is a war. This should not be done for the gudfights, this should not be done for the lulz, this is a war and if they don't want to commit fully to it, then i say better leave test and call the whole defense off. This fight was yet another fight fought where the CFC force for the umpteenth time was already first in the system, positioned and entrenched. Advantage always go to whomever entrenches the faster in the system, and N3ST saw fit to engage a BS subcap force with doctrines that had no place being there in the first place.The tl;dr of the war is this: TEST does it for the lulz and if N3/PL/NC. are serious about getting on with the war, they should stop giving the TEST any serious consideration and finally do something themselves. Man up or go home.
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. It seemed that TEST Alliance planned to make a charge - a last stand - to come back in against overwhelming force and make a statement.No. This is wrong, test didn't take much role in this final charge, we were almost entirely tribal band pilots
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Yeah, orders were given to kill the wreck since immediate evac was the priority once the titan was downed.
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Mad_Ani was incredibly boring. He seems arrogant and explains badly. And he did not explaining very much. The view never changed, he was zoomed out all the time. BORING !!!The stream of Drew_qt was good. He gave an excellent commentary and spoke in a nice way. He where actually in the fight so we saw a lot more. Much more entertaining than that greedy ass Mad Ani.
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That's a major reason why I don't play EVE. It's all about EGOs of few people in charge. Everyone else are just a numbers.
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You were told to be quiet because once one blathering moron starts chattering all 2000 suddenly want to share their opinion on the latest cat gif, and this crashes the Mumble server.
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Drew_qt's stream was amazing. That guy should deserve a CCP/Goonswarm medal, seriously. His patient and clear explaining to outsiders about what the heck was going on, often answering the same questions over and over again as his stream grew to 3000+ viewers, was the real triumph of the day. He single handedly made the best advertisement for this game ever.
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I was chatting with Boodabooda during the fight. He seemed genuinely confused as to what was going on, even though there are rumors that he lost Fountain on purpose.
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An hour into it my guns weren't activating and lag was at it's worst. I left eve running, went to a bbq for an hour, came back with my mega still orbiting the station. Started back up killing primaries. A+, would shoot mans again.
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Then be the guy in charge.
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Battle made it on BBC News .. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech...
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You're right, it's fun to be a "soldier", just one nubmer but when i want to enjoy such thing i usually play Planetside 2.
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Does this mean that the CFC won fountain, but lost the isk war in this fight? :D
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I watched his stream for a while but it a) hard to see what was going on and b) his description of events was lackluster. I saw that Boat had one up and switched to it, without commentary it was way better.
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Just a brief correction: David Cedarbridge had a Fuck You Fleet, not an electronic warfare fleet.
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Also not to mention command channel was probably listening to DBRB talk about his dog.
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FYF is an Ewar fleet
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I'm just amazed it wasn't an -FA- pilot. We must be doing something wrong.
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Deaduck did not die.....we saved him =)
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You were told to be quiet because mumble was so overcrowded.
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booring :D ;p
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Why, because we lose so many carriers?
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Do you understand what "standing orders" are? They are the things you are supposed to do matter what. The standing orders for Bridging Titans in the CFC I helpfully posted above. Had the pilot in question just did ONE of those things he would still be here. If he'd fit a cyno, he'd still be here. It's not finger pointing, it's making an object lesson in personal responsibility from an offering to the welp gods.If you can't recognize how he messed up or be able to handle criticism, this discussion is not for you.
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I was in Villy's fleet whenever I wasn't trying to log back in. Was a great time.
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I'm an Eve n00b who came i n to see what the excitement was about. All Mad Ani gave me was a bunch of dots on a screen, and "I'm not going to repeat myself, so read what the regulars post".It was as fun as watching paint dry. Other streams at least provided some detail, ships, etc. even though there was a lot I clearly didn't get...
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BBC reports on this battle.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/tech...
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Except about mad_ani
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And that's why Mumble = fail
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You're so fucking buff and tough, I'm sure we are all super scared of you and your kickboxing supermodel girlfriend.Shut the fuck up.
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Fountain over and still not a fucking single CTA given for us CFC.Holy smoking gun of a bitches, makes me wonder what shit we can get if The Mittani give the call for a fucking Call To Arms to invade N3.3000....Angry little bee's.......willing to give their life for the Empire......Our swarms will invade from every direction......No where to run......No where to hide.....Winter is comming, I Beeeee There.....
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Not sure they'd have you after your posturing here, tbh. However, you're prepared to spend an hour or two criticising from the sidelines. Spending double that time you could get a first draft of the kind of article you want to see on TMC to them... though wait - it's obvious some articles are taking a day or two to write.The simple fact is that if you WON'T put in the time - "can't" means that you prioritise sleeping/eating/relaxing over doing so, then having said your piece once you'd probably said enough. Repeating the same criticism ad nauseam is puerile and annoying. Please take your ball and go home - you're just making the comments section difficult to filter.

(Editor's Note: This battle report is the personal account of Vily, a Goonswarm Federation Fleet Commander and the leader of one of the CFC Megathron fleets in the battle of 6VDT.)

Today, ladies and gentlemen, we saw the largest engagement in the history of video games.

I say that because a battle involving over 4000 pilots is now over, with the embers of our enemies' wrecks still smoldering (even though they technically can't) in the cold, dark space of 6VDT-H in Fountain.

This battle is the culmination of what will likely be called the Fountain War, a war that has raged for two months and represents one of the most dynamic conflicts of EVE Online in the last two years.

When we (the CFC, or ClusterFuck Coalition) decided to reinforce the 6VDT-H station, we did so merely on a whim. TEST Alliance had shown an unacceptable level of resistance to one of our daily European timezone siege groups; the farther they let us push, the farther we shall push. In a surprising turn of events, TEST Alliance decided to time the station timer for European prime (afternoon US timezone) instead of the usual Australian timezone strategy, which has, while providing little success in the past, at least allowed them to resist at a moderate level.

We didn't think particularly much of the timer; 6VDT-H is not anywhere near the level of strategic importance it once held. Its use as a transit hub is mostly deprecated, and it no longer represents an active military base for more than a fraction of TEST's forces. However, the morning after the initial attack, we awoke to a surprise: All TEST operations for the following two days had been canceled. All forces were to prepare for a defence of 6VDT on Sunday, the 28th of July. This was where they would hold the line. This was where they would end our advance.

So: we in the CFC prepared, as we do for all operations. We analyzed the locations and timers and organized our allies and membership. We were told that TEST Alliance, along with their returning allies N3/Nulli (altogether known as N3ST), would make a stand. This would be their Alamo. We found weaknesses. N3ST's moon control was lacking, allowing us, with moderate effort the day before, to gain complete moon supremacy, thereby ensuring that there would be no "high ground" (a moon-based tower) for N3ST to fall back to. This would limit their options if they chose to deploy super-capital class assets into the fight. Preparation and organization is a hallmark of CFC strategy, and for a battle as important as this, no opportunity for advantage would be passed up.

The morning of the fight we had some chats, but the FC group in charge of the CFC war machine are old dogs for this type of fight. We know the mechanics of herding our people, moving them at best speed, and getting there to the destination in best order. Before a single broadcast had gone out, 2300 people sat ready in 4-EP (the CFC staging base). More would log-in over the course of the day. The N3ST staging systems amassed just under two thousand pilots, leaving them slightly outnumbered, but not by a margin anywhere near what we had expected.

The CFC war machine drummed, and seven fleets of 256 (the max allowable) Megathron-class battleships were formed under our willing FCs: Vily, Mister Vee, Lazarus Telraven, Reagalan, Cor Six, Intergalaktor, and Ironwulf. Two fleets of bombers under Kcolor and Dabigredboat were also formed, as well as an electronic warfare fleet under David Cedarbridge. Also, a mobile armor heavy assault cruiser (AHAC) group under Imperian was deployed to go after smaller groups in a shark hunter role. Finally, a large number of capital ships (carriers and dreadnoughts) were formed under TheAdj and held in reserve. When all was said and done, within an hour of sounding the horn, over 2200 pilots had moved into fleets and began the process of preparing for the fight.

The forces of N3ST were not sitting idly by. While I am not privy to all their formation information, I do know they formed two fleets of Prophecy-class battlecruisers, a pair of AHAC fleets, an electronic warfare fleet, a Dominix-class battleship fleet, and other fleets of bombers and assorted cruiser and frigate class ships. Notably, a "Gokufleet" of stealth bombers went to 4-EP instead of the main battle to intercept our reinforcements.

Moving such a mass of forces is an extremely unique aspect of EVE Online; moving a single 256 man fleet can be a challenge at times, and moving eight of them at once is even more so. Time dilation usually kicks in any time you see 300 or more pilots moving as a group, so moving 1000+ makes it a certainty. As such, the CFC formed almost two hours in advance of the reinforced timer exiting invulnerable mode. It is not fun, but it is absolutely necessary if you plan to achieve system control first, giving you a significant tactical advantage. As such, almost 1 hour before the timer approached, we had entered system and moved in around the station, evenly orbiting with several fleets, providing ourselves a position almost entirely immune to hostile bomber fleets.

Most of our pilots took advantage of this time to get lunch, say goodbye to their families, and prepare for the worst while expecting the best. At the same time, N3ST forces slowly went through the process of moving their forces into a position to engage. This can be arduous, and it was obvious that they were playing against the clock to organize themselves properly to arrive in time to contest the system.

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